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		<title>Confessions of a former timeshare sales manager</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>April 11, 2015 • By Dennis Beaver Our recent article on timeshares resulted in dozens of emails and phone calls, two which stand out. One was from Hanford readers Trish and Roy, on vacation at a resort in Mexico, signed up for a “90 minute presentation.” “Fortunately the Sentinel has your column on its website, and just [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>Our recent article on timeshares resulted in dozens of emails and phone calls, two which stand out. One was from Hanford readers Trish and Roy, on vacation at a resort in Mexico, signed up for a “90 minute presentation.”</p>
<p>“Fortunately the Sentinel has your column on its website, and just like at home, it’s the first thing we read every Saturday even when we’re out of town. Your article was meant for us, because we have trouble saying no! And so, we promised each other that we would not cave in to high pressure sales tactics, and there were plenty! Even though we got lots of mean looks from the sales people, we escaped without signing a thing. Thanks so much!”</p>
<p>The other was an interesting chat with Orlando Florida-based, Lisa Ann Schreier, a former timeshare sales manager who, happily for anyone about to buy a timeshare, discovered that she was much better at educating the public about timeshares than selling them.</p>
<p>She is the founder and director of Timeshare Insights (Timeshareinsights.com) which, in our opinion, provides must-read information both for owners and prospective buyers, and shared with us the little known sales tactics, plus ways of saving thousands of dollars which you’ll never hear in a sales presentation.</p>
<p>“For some families,” Schreier maintains, “timeshares are worthwhile, especially if purchased on the secondary market at a discount. And, I caution anyone, especially older people who have difficulty in saying No, to stay far away from sales presentations.”</p>
<p><strong>“Make the older couple feel guilty”</strong></p>
<p>“Using guilt, she points out, “making the couple feel guilty if they do not buy, is an effective high pressure technique when used on older people. As couples in their 60s might easily have a child the age of the salesperson, they often let their guard down, falling victim to guilt, hearing such things as:</p>
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<li>Don’t you want to buy this wonderful vacation property and leave it to your children?</li>
<li>Don’t your children and grandchildren deserve better than a cheap hotel?</li>
<li>If you don’t buy today I am on the verge of being fired!</li>
<li>I can’t believe that I wasted three hours of my time!</li>
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<p>“If you hear anything like this, my recommendation is to get up and leave the room, because you are dealing with someone preying on your emotions.”</p>
<p><strong>You do not have to buy from the developer</strong></p>
<p>Schreier knows lots of happy owners, “And the happiest saved themselves thousands of dollars by not buying during that so-called ‘90 Minute Presentation,’ instead, used the legitimate secondary market.</p>
<p>“Dennis, chances are that you have readers who purchased a $20,000 timeshare–the average price from developers–completely unaware that as much as 60% of that price went to pay for commissions and marketing expenses, an enormously high overhead, unique to this industry.</p>
<p>“That very same property on the resale market could have been obtained for $3,000 to $5,000, from owners who are now looking to get out of their timeshare for one reason or another. Their loss could easily be your gain.”</p>
<p><strong>Don’t believe the money-saving hype &#8211; Questions you must ask</strong></p>
<p>Most presentation begin by asking how many nights you might spend in a hotel and at what rate. Then, the salesperson shows an inflation-factoring chart, projecting how much more that same room will cost 5, 10 or 15 years down the road — all of it a reason to “lock-in” a good price now.</p>
<p>“But that is usually based on fuzzy math!” Schreier underscores. “Hotel rates have not risen nearly as much as they tell you. Look at all of the websites which offer discounted hotel rooms. So the idea of buying a timeshare merely to save money becomes far less attractive.</p>
<p>“The reality is that you should not look at a timeshare as a money-saving opportunity, as it is often going to be far more costly than staying at a hotel. But there may be other advantages.</p>
<p>“Always remember that when you buy a timeshare you now own an interest in real property, and that means taxes and maintenance, from hundreds to thousands of dollars a year even if you don’t actually use the property, and it never ends unless you are able to unload it.</p>
<p>“You need to learn as much about the property as possible, what percent of units have been sold, the delinquency rate, the future of the resort. The reason is that if it has a high delinquency rate, then your share of maintenance and fees will be much more.</p>
<p>Finally, the former timeshare sales manager agrees with Los Angeles-based Bryan Hull, Contracts Law Professor at Loyola Law School, who tells You and the Law:</p>
<p>“Don’t fall for illusory promises in their contracts — meaning no promise at all. Buyer Beware!”</p>
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		<title>Staying away from time share presentations</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2015 04:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>March 21, 2015 • By Dennis Beaver If you are about to attend a vacation time share sales presentation and have difficulty in saying “No!,” then our story today could easily save you thousands of dollars, and we begin with this question: Let’s say that you plan to lease an apartment, or retain the services of an [&#8230;]</p>
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<p>If you are about to attend a vacation time share sales presentation and have difficulty in saying “No!,” then our story today could easily save you thousands of dollars, and we begin with this question:</p>
<p>Let’s say that you plan to lease an apartment, or retain the services of an attorney, or are presented a contract to sign, but first, you would like to have it reviewed by family members. So, you ask for a copy but are refused.</p>
<p>In our many years of writing this column, not a single reader ever complained of being unable to obtain a draft copy of any document requiring their signature with one expensive, glaring exception: Vacation time share sales contracts. Why?</p>
<p>Selma readers Bennie and Donna — both 75 years young — contacted You and the Law after having attended a vacation club resort sales presentation in Newport Beach “Which,” as Bennie explained, “was just like the brochure describes, a truly beautiful property, near the Pacific Ocean.”</p>
<p>The couple were taking advantage of a “Three-Night, 4 Day&#8221; promotion which required attending a 90 minute time share sales presentation.</p>
<p>“While it did exceed 90 minutes, which did not bother us, we felt an intense pressure to plunk down $80,000 for points which would give us two weeks of use at many of their resorts. They made it seem that if we did not buy right then and there, that all the other perks offered would not be obtainable. It was a now or never kind of an attitude they left us with.”</p>
<p><strong>“What do you mean I can’t get out?”</strong></p>
<p>There is nothing per se wrong in owning a vacation time share. Millions of them have been sold, directly by developers using incredibly high commissioned, high pressure salespeople — or on the resale market for a fraction of the cost by folks trying to get out of their contract.</p>
<p>So, why would someone who puts down $15,000 to $80,000 or finances a time share want to dump the thing? The most common reasons are discovering what they were told by the salesperson doesn’t stand up. It is often difficult to make use of this “investment” which for many is money tossed down a black hole, impossible to obtain a certain room or time of the year, or even a specific resort.</p>
<p>This column has met dozens of time share owners who left their common sense in the hotel room and were seduced by all the pretty pictures and images of staying in great resorts, saving money. Once awake from their endorphin-infused hangover, they realized just how expensive one of these white-elephants can be, every year being charged thousands of dollars for taxes and maintenance even when they do not use their points or stay at a property.</p>
<p>&#8220;And those fees never end! You are buying a real property interest and these charges go on forever unless they let you out or someone buys it from you at a huge loss,” Bennie correctly learned. But it’s what he discovered about the vacation club that was even more upsetting:</p>
<p>“The salesman suggested that they might soon have a resignation/resale program which would let people out and showed me a contract with that language. But when I asked for a copy of anything we had to sign so we could take it to our son, who is a lawyer, they flat-out refused.</p>
<p>“The only way to get a copy was to sign the contracts! We refused and left. No one has ever pushed us around and no one will,” feisty Bennie’s email concluded.</p>
<p><strong>What we found</strong></p>
<p>We paid a visit to the resort and, like our readers, were shown a “Quality Assurance Checklist” which stated their intention:</p>
<p>“To provide a resignation/resale program for owners who wish to exit the program in the future&#8230; which is not guaranteed to occur and may be turned on or off at our sole discretion.”</p>
<p>But when a copy of that form, and anything else they wanted signed was requested, the answer was a firm no! Days later, we phoned, were promised the “Checklist” via an email, which has never been received. We obtained the actual checklist through other, legal means.</p>
<p><strong>What’s the problem with that language?</strong></p>
<p>“This kind of wishful thinking, maybe we will, type of language may look impressive, but is not legally enforceable as it not a commitment. In my legal opinion, it has no place in a contract because it can easily be misread, sending a completely opposite message,” commented Hanford attorney Ron Jones.</p>
<p>Jones added that, in his legal opinion, the checklist was “vague, ambiguous, and utterly confusing except that the buyer must pay and pay and pay.” We agree,</p>
<p>Hats off to Bennie and Darla for just walking away.</p>
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